Matt S Trout wrote a very reasonable suggestion to brand the current Perl 5 implementation as Pumpkin Perl. The gist is something like, "take the emphasis off of 5, which sounds like one less than 6, and put it on the thing itself: the really nice language, all plump and ready to be used in a pie." I can get behind that.
The part that starts to wrankle me is this:
So what if next year's release, instead of saying
perl revision 5, version 20
pumpkin perl, version 20
It's not that I think Matt's proposal says we should drop the five as its first, key point. It's a bit more: "Look, everybody knows this is five. Focus on the thing that does keep changing and marking nice improvements!" (I will state for the record that I do not want to remove the five from many places, although moving it around a little might happen.) The problem is the huge influx of expectation that this is really is about dropping the five and using this as some sort of breaking point with history. This frustrates me for a few reasons.
There's an occasionally repeated refrain that "if only we could break backward
compatibility," Perl 5 would surge forward with new innovations. "We'd finally
throw off the yoke of
some feature the speaker doesn't use and be free!" The
problem, of course, is that somebody else uses that feature. Pretty often the
speaker is his own somebody else, and just doesn't realize it. Prototypes?
Test::More. Tied variables? DBI and Config. AUTOLOAD? CPAN and Encode.
Typeglobs? Much of the Net namespace (not to mention anything that exports).
Other times, the feature is old and goofy, but not really in the way of
So there's one blocker to breaking backward compatibility: you'll make it a nice language in which you'll get to reimplement all the stuff you love about using the language. Whoops!
That's not the most important blocker, either. The more important blocker is
that nobody is actually coming forward and saying, "If we can break
X, we can
get a big improvement to
Y." Maybe this is because there is a feeling that
backcompat is so deeply entrenched, and so pervasive about the smallest foibles
of the language that there is no point. I think this would be a shame, because
I can pretty confidently say that we can break backward compatibility for the
right win. How much, for what? I don't know. We'd need to see an offer, and
then a patch.
Of course, there are limits. Perl is used to power multi-billion-dollar businesses. This constrains its paths forward. It won't cease to exist, nor will it be abandoned, but it can't break the code bases of those businesses. Also, note that I'm speaking in the plural. If there was one massive enterprise that owned Perl and drove it forward, there would be a very clear set of guidelines for what could break: anything but the code making billions of dollars for the sponsors. Instead, there are a bunch of enterprises and upgrading them all in sync and keeping all their code working forever is not a simple matter.
This is the problem with success. As a language grows successful, it loses agility. That's one of Perl 6's strengths: it hasn't yet become a big success, so it can change anything it wants whenever a design flaw is made. If we want to regain that kind of agility, all we have to do is agree to give up our success.
That's what forking a project is about: you get a whole bunch of code (warts and all) for free, without the burden of success. Then again, maybe after a brief and extremely liberating romp through the free prairies of obscurity, you can try to steal the success of your ancestor. Remember: you'll be giving up that agility again.
This is where I get back to liking Pumpkin Perl.
If you want to break backward compatibility, you can sketch out your plan and
say, "Hey, I figured out that if we drop support for
reset, we can get a 4%
local!" This will result in a response of "no, never!" or "yes,
surely!" or "hm, show us a patch?" If it goes in, great. There's a
deprecation period to ease everybody off of
reset, and then
faster. If it doesn't, what do you do?
Either you grin and bear it, or you go work on another Perl. The Perl you work
on doesn't care about
reset. Heck, it doesn't care about
dump, either, so
you can save another 2% on something there. You won't be working on Pumpkin
Perl, of course, but on Antelope Perl, or Hubbard Perl, or Kurila
Are these forks viable? Of course. They are viable as long as they have
people using them, just like Pumpkin Perl. Perl is free software, so anybody's
fork can continue to incorporate changes from the mainline, while it's
possible, and changes determined to be massive improvements can be brought back
to Pumpkin Perl after a proving period. GitHub showed us all that forking is
good, because a fork is just a branch. That works here, too, and naming "the"
perl5 is a way of saying, "This is one branch: the most conservative,
commonly relied-upon one." The distinction it creates from Perl 6 is, to me, a
minor side benefit.
Matt's posts have all been very clearly trying to avoid talking about forking perl and breaking backcompat, so I hope he isn't bothered to see me going directly to those two topics in this post. A lot of other responses went there, though, and I think those topics really need to be addressed.
If "Pumpkin Perl" is going to be a thing, it's going to be a very low-key
change: we'll call the thing at
perl5.git.perl.org "pumpkin perl," and it
will answer to
use 5.x.y, and it will still say "revision 5, version X," more
or less. The freedom we get is a freedom of expression, granted by having a
clearer way to refer to one branch of perl as an equal amongst others. By
giving the first fork a name, we make room for future forks to exist and have
their own names, without having to "break" this one.